Here's news that some of you have been expecting for a while: Hypnoslave c and her subconscious, Megan, have been talking to each other. Or rather, typing.
It's something of a landmark, since they've each been speaking, separately, to K and to me for nearly a year. But both seemed a little wary of communicating directly with the other. Guess I'd feel the same way, come to think of it.
What's changed is that c feels a lot more comfortable with Megan inside her these days. She doesn't feel threatened. In fact, she's appreciated Megan's efforts to blunt some difficult health issues that have occurred lately. And Megan, as she's been saying for some time, considers herself to be just another part of c's mind.
I believe the first cross-mind communication was c typing, "I wonder what your voice sounds like." Then she saw her fingers typing Megan's response: "Like you."
The details of the conversation that followed are a little vague, as both later told me they couldn't remember what they discussed.
I'm really pleased that they both are relaxed enough to let that happen. Megan and her powers have become such an important part of c's already powerful mind ... it would be odd for them to treat each other as separate.
I suppose one reason I haven't reported this before, is my fear of having c branded as having some sort of mental condition. It's come up here on the blog occasionally, and in conversation with other D/s players: Surely this can't be true. And if it's not true, then it must be ... schizophrenia! Multiple personalities!
Um, guys, those are harsh diagnoses to toss around anonymously. For one thing, what we're describing is real. We haven't spent the past year goofing around with mental illness. Or roleplay. We're all highly skeptical and I daresay pretty well scientifically educated people, who discovered this by accident and think someone might want to take a look at what we've uncovered. For another thing, if c has 'multiple personalities' then so do nearly all the submissives I've ever hypnotized, since they nearly all had a subconscious who came out to play during trance.
But I digress.
In more news, Megan and c crossed a new boundary this week in the way they communicate with me. Megan had been a little put out that I had not mentioned her many efforts in last week's post about 'non-kink' uses of hypnosis. She chose a phone call between me and c to make her feelings clear: She put thoughts in c's head for c to say out loud to me. Passing her thoughts through the conscious c is something new, and c kept interrupting with, "this is sooo weird" but didn't block it.
Megan had told me what she was going to do, but even so it was pretty bizarre hearing c's voice saying things that I knew she wasn't consciously thinking. "What are you two talking about?" she said at one point. I must say, it's an efficient way to carry on a conversation... but, yeah, it's odd as hell.
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[i]Um, guys, those are harsh diagnoses to toss around anonymously. For one thing, what we're describing is real. We haven't spent the past year goofing around with mental illness. Or roleplay. We're all highly skeptical and I daresay pretty well scientifically educated people, who discovered this by accident and think someone might want to take a look at what we've uncovered. For another thing, if c has 'multiple personalities' then so do nearly all the submissives I've ever hypnotized, since they nearly all had a subconscious who came out to play during trance.[/i]
I apologize. I have a feeling that I was one of the voices you were referring to in this post. I didn't mean to sound so derogatory. If I may explain my thoughts:
I know (from experience) that it is very possible and pretty easy to create hypothetical personalities. Different personalities that a person can take on when it is suggested to them. I also know it is possible to run these personalities in parallel with one's standard personality, so they are both active at the same time. Finally, I know that suggestions can by tricky, and through alluding to a certain affect you can often create it when you are merely trying to find out if it exists.
All this being so, I wonder if you haven't merely hit upon a very efficient way of creating a hypothetical personality, which you then draw on regularly until it is able to exist in parallel with the normal one. This would explain all the effects your subjects have displayed, and also the fact that it was replicated among multiple people. Also it would be more in keeping with current theory about the subconscious, which considers it without a sense of judgment (unlike the personality you are seeing.)
So I wonder. However for you this question doesn't really matter all that much, the point is you have brought out an alternative personality, and it's source is now irrelevant. For me as the observer, it is very interesting, particularly because of the implications if your hypothesis is correct. I would love to discuss it with you at some point!
That was all I intended to say, I didn't mean to make any harsh diagnoses; if I have then again I apologize.
You may remember that i wrote this comment about this "inner self" before (Hexagon).
Funnily i did this "let them communicate with each other" too, quite some time ago already. We seem to have similar ideas and experiences. But for her it went not that far, that they communicate with each other still or through each other, that haven't happened for them. As i communicate with IMs only with her, it was quite easy to have them both able to type to me tho...
Hi Mirehn, I appreciate your comments, and c does too. We know you didn't intend any offense, so none is taken.
You've posed an excellent question; it's come up before but you've phrased it succinctly. Is there any way to show that the subconscious existed before I hypnotized her and started talking to it? Or am I so good at setting the stage and asking questions, and she so eager to please, that she created the subconscious for me?
Why do I think it's the former and not the latter? For one thing, I'm pretty well trained in not asking leading questions, not perfect, but I'm not planting all this. Second, there's so much internal consistency from the first few minutes of conversation with the subconscious until weeks and months later: I don't hear backtracking, or rewriting of things just to please me. And I've never had the conscious mind inadvertently aware of something I've discussed just with the subconscious, even weeks later. In some people, the subconscious is notably wiser, calmer and more sensible than the conscious, which is an impressive thing to hear. I'm convinced it's a real phenomenon that I found and did not create.
But, as you say, in the end it doesn't matter whether we all agree on what to call this. There's clearly a part of the mind and body, normally out of reach, whose amazing potential can be tapped this way. I know too many women who now can be given orgasms on command, to think otherwise.
(If you'd like to discuss it more, feel free to email me directly at hypnomaster.d at gmail.)
Hexagon, I'd love to hear your thoughts about this same question: Do you think her inner self was there before you met her?
Yes i am pretty sure of that. I never intended to get this subconscious out, i did not even think this is possible. This subconscious revealed itself to me after some time, after enough trust was established. The first contact was like "There are some things that A. would never tell you, but i feel you should now them, so i m telling you a few things about her now". I was like "hu? whats going ont here now?". So this subconscious showed up on its own, and not cause i asked it to, or pushed her to. So i am more than sure that this is real, and that this subconscious was there before. Nothing i created. Interesting enough we use the term "inner self" too when i talk with both of them. And i made this experiences even before i knew about your blog, this is what made it so interesting for me, to read that others experienced similar things.
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